So, rather than me write on the role of the pastor, thought I'd link to something helpful from one significantly wiser and more experienced. Incidentally, this picks up on something that dawned on me earlier today after my post on role of the pastor: why is it that we talk about "pastor as CEO" or "pastor as trainer," when the term "pastor" is so clearly linked to the idea of shepherding? So, with that in mind...
http://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/01/06/the-shepherd-leader/
Saturday, February 11, 2012
More from Baxter
Baxter on the need for a pastor to be able to oversee all the sheep of his flock:
"O happy Church of Christ, were the labourers but able and faithful, and proportioned in number to the number of souls; so that the pastors were so many, or the particular churches so small, that we might be able to 'take heed to all the flock.'"
Now, I don't post this because I'm 100 percent in agreement with Baxter at every point, but it certainly is fodder for thought. I'm particularly interested in his comment about "churches so small." Such a different angle...
Any thoughts?
"O happy Church of Christ, were the labourers but able and faithful, and proportioned in number to the number of souls; so that the pastors were so many, or the particular churches so small, that we might be able to 'take heed to all the flock.'"
Now, I don't post this because I'm 100 percent in agreement with Baxter at every point, but it certainly is fodder for thought. I'm particularly interested in his comment about "churches so small." Such a different angle...
Any thoughts?
What is the role of a pastor?
I’ve been re-reading The Trellis and the Vine by Colin Marshall and Tony Payne recently and it’s prompted me to think more carefully (surely the sign of a good book) about the role of a pastor.
When it comes to who the pastor is and what he does, Marshall and Payne suggest there are basically three models: pastor as clergyman, as CEO, and as trainer (see the chapter “Why Sunday sermons are necessary but not sufficient”).
The traditional model, that of clergyman, basically sees the pastor’s role as “to care for and feed the congregation” (94). Though possessing strengths, Marshall and Payne basically see this position as a flawed view of the ministry that promotes “’consumerism,’” hindering church-wide involvement and limiting the exercise of gifts to one particular person in the congregation. This model, they suggest, simply is inadequate and “reflects the culture and norms of a different world- the world of 16th- and 17th-century Christianized nations” (95-96).
The more contemporary vision of as pastor, that of a CEO, Marshall and Payne find equally flawed, though for different reasons. Indeed, they see this position as “a direct response to the traditional Reformed-evangelical view of ministry and church life” (96). Now, instead of the one-way feeding from the shepherd to the sheep (as in the “clergyman” view), pastors as CEO’s strive to build churches that emphasize “congregational involvement” (97; emphasis original). But, the involvement asked for typically ends up aiming at only one thing in such churches according to Marshall and Payne: numerical growth. Depth is sacrificed for breadth as the church becomes more an organization than an organism. Sure, more “congregational involvement” is perhaps achieved, but of what sort?
Lastly, Marshall and Payne suggest the “pastor as trainer” model. This, of course, is there preferred vision, “one in which the prayerful speaking of the word is central, and in which Christians are trained and equipped to minister God’s word to others” (99; emphasis original). Preaching is still central, but added to it is the task of training “people to be contributors and servants, not spectators and consumers,” and “to become disciple-making disciples of Jesus.” The field is leveled in this model to a “radical” degree, according to Marshall and Payne, as the “clergy-lay distinction” is dissolved. The one-way style of the clergyman and the top-down manner of a CEO is replaced by the side-by-side, lead-by-example method of a trainer.
Now, basically, I’m in agreement with Marshall and Payne (and the many others who are advocating the “pastor as trainer,” “every member ministry” position; e.g. Mark Dever, Bob Kellemen, David Murray, Paul Tripp). However, it does leave me with some nagging questions:
- In a hundred years (or fifty, or twenty), will a new model of pastoring simply emerge, replacing the dated “pastor as trainer” model just as that model passed by others? Is this merely Lewis’ “chronological snobbery” on display?
- Related to this, how much of our vision of pastoring culturally determined? Experts agree that the “center of gravity” for Christianity has shifted from the northern and western hemispheres to the southern and eastern, resulting in a whole host of new approaches to Christian life and thought. Does pastoring in China require a different model than does pastoring in more “Western” nations (including even Marshall’s and Payne’s Australia)?
- Is there not something beautiful about the pastors caring for the sheep themselves? Marshall and Payne laud Richard Baxter, the 17th-century Puritan minister, as exemplary in many respects, but it seems that as I read The Reformed Pastor by Baxter, he places a singularly huge emphasis on the role of the pastor as the one appointed to care for the flock. When he comes across situations in which there is too much work for one minister, he doesn’t seem to suggest the training of the laity as much as the bringing in of more ministers!
Well, I’m sure there is more to say, but I’ve exceeded my (self-imposed) limits in terms of both time and length.
Thinking with you,
aaron
Thursday, February 9, 2012
Crucifixional Ministry
Why is it that I read and hear so much about "incarnational" ministry? I mean, I get it: we are to identify with those we minister to in the same way Christ identified with us, as demonstrated so well in the Incarnation. It makes sense.
But, it seems like the New Testament emphasis in terms of Christ's example for us is not so much on his gaining a body, but on his giving up his body. Not that the two can be separated- they cannot. He took on flesh to later take up his cross. Still, the focus in terms of discipleship seems to be on the latter aspect of his earthly ministry. Ought we not, therefore, to speak more of "crucifixional" ministry? Or perhaps we know what such an angle on ministry would mean for us...
Convicted with you,
aaron
But, it seems like the New Testament emphasis in terms of Christ's example for us is not so much on his gaining a body, but on his giving up his body. Not that the two can be separated- they cannot. He took on flesh to later take up his cross. Still, the focus in terms of discipleship seems to be on the latter aspect of his earthly ministry. Ought we not, therefore, to speak more of "crucifixional" ministry? Or perhaps we know what such an angle on ministry would mean for us...
Convicted with you,
aaron
Holiness and the Minister
Here is "part three" of the series I started a few days ago. Perhaps you've realized by now: I do not plan to say all that could be said about a matter, nor to address what is always the "core" of an issue. Case in point: below are some thoughts on an issue related to holiness that I've pondered for some time, but is definitely not the main issue. Anyways...enjoy!
I was reminded of the complexity of the issue of holiness and pastoral ministry while reading something from Michael Horton recently. Horton brought up the so-called Donatist schism of the fourth century. If you recall, the Donatist scandal (basically) revolved around the issue of whether or not baptisms performed by bishops who afterward recanted under persecution were valid or not.
Now, ultimately, to unravel the Donatist issue involves going into issues of sacraments and early church politics- this is not the place for that. But, germane to our discussion is the core matter in the schism: what role does a minister’s personal holiness play in his actual ministry? Does unholiness taint his works as a pastor, rendering them ultimately ineffective? Or, do the works that he performs have some value in and of themselves? Ultimately, the early church decided that in the case of the sacraments, they have efficacy apart from those who administer them, but did that mean they saw the minister’s personal relation to the Lord and walk of faith as irrelevant to his overall ministry? Though I may not be qualified to answer that particular question, I do have some thoughts on the place of holiness in the life of pastors.
Specifically, I see a sort of tension in Scripture between the absolute essentiality of holiness in the life of ministers and the way in which the Lord’s work is carried on through a person despite his infirmities and even, we might say, his transgressions.
My two “go-to” passages for each aspect are 1 Timothy 4:16 and Philippians 1:14-18.
In the former there is a clear emphasis laid on Timothy’s integrity in “life and doctrine” as core components in his gospel ministry. He is to “keep a close watch” on himself in these respects, “for by so doing [he] will save both [himself] and [his] hearers.” Strong terms. And while we might wish to debate the exact nuance of “save” in the Pastoral Epistles (it takes on different meanings dependent on context), the undeniable point remains: Timothy’s attendance to his personal life has great ramifications not only for himself, but also for others in his life. In other words, holiness matters.
On the other hand, Philippians 1 pulls us back from the ledge in terms of thinking that all of redemptive history hinges upon our personal state of holiness. In that passage, Paul demonstrates his joy in the fact that Christ is preached, even by those with dead-wrong motives! What a shocking thought from the apostle: “I know that these guys don’t have integrity, but I’m still so glad they are preaching Christ.” What?! Doesn’t their lack of personal holiness hinder the effectiveness of the gospel ministry?! Paul astonishingly doesn’t go there- in this case message matters more than the messenger.
What then? How do we proceed? Well, obviously we don’t take the latter passage as establishing license for a lack of integrity in our ministry. That simply was not Paul’s point. His point was that, regardless of human interference, God’s plan rolls on. The Sovereign Savior’s work is accomplished amidst opposition and through the most seemingly hopeless situations, and this is great cause for rejoicing. The gospel is triumphing!
So, we return again then to 1 Timothy 4 (and a vast host of other passages) that explicitly instructs us as to the essential nature of holiness in a minister of God. Others may not heed their lives as they ought, but we may yet rejoice if the gospel advances through them in a way that does not bring shame to the message. But what joy can we have in knowing that, though speaking our Savior’s words, our own lives serve as no great example of holiness? What peace can we have in our own hypocrisy, knowing that God is not mocked and we will reap what we sow? And yes, Philippians 1 notwithstanding, what hope can we have of our Lord’s blessing upon our own particular spheres of service, if we will not cleanse ourselves and “be vessels for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work” (2 Timothy 2:21)? Let us, therefore, take heed to our lives and our doctrine, for “a holy minister is an awful weapon in the hand of the Lord,” as the good Mr. M’Cheyne has said. But, to all who hold onto their iniquity, let them beware.
A healthy caution concerning motive
“Some men who aspire to the pastorate- especially some young men- do so with a conceited desire to be seen as great in the eyes of others. They make a pretense of honoring God, but secretly they long that others would say of them, “He is a man of immense learning,” or “He is a man of great prowess in preaching,” or the like. Not so with you. Rid yourself of such idolatry and let it be said of you, instead, “He is a man of great Christian love,” and “He is a man of great faithfulness, holiness, and humility.” For in these things, rather than the others, does true greatness consist.”
- Anonymous
Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Now, as for gifts...
So yesterday (and today somewhat) I touched on some issues relative to "calling" and pastoral ministry. I didn't say all that could be said, nor did I say what I did say necessarily well, but nonetheless I hope it was helpful (it was to me).
Tonight, then, in keeping with my intentions from the other day, I want to address the issue of "gifts" and pastoral ministry. And, while I intended at first to focus on the indispensable nature of gifts for pastoral ministry (something I indeed believe), I thought it necessary after a dose of Mr. Spurgeon to come at this issue from another angle.
In Spurgeon's Lectures to My Students (necessary reading for those preparing for ministry or already pastoring), he has a chapter devoted to "The Call to the Ministry." Part way through, he quotes some material from John Newton that the latter had addressed to a friend on the issue of pastoral ministry. The following segment of that quote is relevant for our discussion of gifts.
Newton writes:
"Besides the affectionate desire and readiness to preach, there must in due season appear some competent sufficiency as to gifts, knowledge, and utterance. Surely, if the Lord sends a man to teach others, He will furnish him with the means. I believe may have intended well in setting up for preachers, who yet went beyond or before their call in so doing. The main difference between a minister and a private Christian, seems to consist in those ministerial gifts, which are imparted to him, not for his own sake, but for the edification of others. But then I say these are to appear in due season; the are not to be expected instantaneously, but gradually, in the use of proper means. They are necessary for the discharge of the ministry, but not necessary as prerequisites to warrant our desires after it. In your case [Newton is addressing his friend here], you are young, and have time before you; therefore, I think you need not as yet perplex yourself with enquiring [sic] if you have these gifts already. It is sufficient if your desire is fixed, and you are willing, in the way of prayer and diligence, to wait upon the Lord for them; as yet you need them not."
A few thoughts based on this that I find wise, encouraging, instructive, and challenging:
1. Gifts are necessary for ministry
2. Gifts do not necessarily manifest themselves immediately in a would-be pastor
3. Gifts will eventually, however, be manifest in one truly called
4. Gifts are not for the shepherd, but for the sheep
5. Gifts, or more accurately the lack thereof, are not to be a cause of anxiety in one who begins to aspire to the office
6. Gifts develop gradually
7. Gifts require "prayer and diligence" to develop
8. Gifts are from the Lord; wait on him
Waiting with you all,
aaron
Tonight, then, in keeping with my intentions from the other day, I want to address the issue of "gifts" and pastoral ministry. And, while I intended at first to focus on the indispensable nature of gifts for pastoral ministry (something I indeed believe), I thought it necessary after a dose of Mr. Spurgeon to come at this issue from another angle.
In Spurgeon's Lectures to My Students (necessary reading for those preparing for ministry or already pastoring), he has a chapter devoted to "The Call to the Ministry." Part way through, he quotes some material from John Newton that the latter had addressed to a friend on the issue of pastoral ministry. The following segment of that quote is relevant for our discussion of gifts.
Newton writes:
"Besides the affectionate desire and readiness to preach, there must in due season appear some competent sufficiency as to gifts, knowledge, and utterance. Surely, if the Lord sends a man to teach others, He will furnish him with the means. I believe may have intended well in setting up for preachers, who yet went beyond or before their call in so doing. The main difference between a minister and a private Christian, seems to consist in those ministerial gifts, which are imparted to him, not for his own sake, but for the edification of others. But then I say these are to appear in due season; the are not to be expected instantaneously, but gradually, in the use of proper means. They are necessary for the discharge of the ministry, but not necessary as prerequisites to warrant our desires after it. In your case [Newton is addressing his friend here], you are young, and have time before you; therefore, I think you need not as yet perplex yourself with enquiring [sic] if you have these gifts already. It is sufficient if your desire is fixed, and you are willing, in the way of prayer and diligence, to wait upon the Lord for them; as yet you need them not."
A few thoughts based on this that I find wise, encouraging, instructive, and challenging:
1. Gifts are necessary for ministry
2. Gifts do not necessarily manifest themselves immediately in a would-be pastor
3. Gifts will eventually, however, be manifest in one truly called
4. Gifts are not for the shepherd, but for the sheep
5. Gifts, or more accurately the lack thereof, are not to be a cause of anxiety in one who begins to aspire to the office
6. Gifts develop gradually
7. Gifts require "prayer and diligence" to develop
8. Gifts are from the Lord; wait on him
Waiting with you all,
aaron
more on calling
Pulled out my copy of The Trellis and the Vine last night. Some corroborating evidence concerning my post from yesterday...
(Marshall and Payne are addressing the following issue: "All believers are called to serve, so why should some be called into 'ministry'?")
"One of our real problems is the word 'call'. We are used to thinking of the 'call to ministry' as a kind of individual, mystical experience, by which people become convinced that God wants them to enter the pastorate.
However, when we turn to the New Testament, we find that the language of 'calling' is not really used this way. It is almost always used to describe how God graciously 'calls' or summons people to follow him or repent, with all the privileges and responsibilities this involves."
(Marshall and Payne are addressing the following issue: "All believers are called to serve, so why should some be called into 'ministry'?")
"One of our real problems is the word 'call'. We are used to thinking of the 'call to ministry' as a kind of individual, mystical experience, by which people become convinced that God wants them to enter the pastorate.
However, when we turn to the New Testament, we find that the language of 'calling' is not really used this way. It is almost always used to describe how God graciously 'calls' or summons people to follow him or repent, with all the privileges and responsibilities this involves."
Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Andrew Bonar's biography of Robert Murray M'Cheyne
This whole work ought to be required reading for every pastor and would-be pastor (if not every Christian). Here is a snippet (the first sentence and last line- let the same be said of us):
"[M'Cheyne's] soul was prepared for the awful work of the ministry by much prayer, and much study of the word of God; by affliction in his person; by inward trials and sore temptations; by experience of the depth of corruption in his own heart, and by discoveries of the Saviour's fulness of grace. He learned experimentally to ask, "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God!" I John 5:5. During the four years that followed his awakening, he was oftentimes under the many waters, but was ever raised again by the same divine hand that had drawn him out at the first; till at length, though still often violently tossed, the vessel was able steadily to keep the summit of the wave. It appears that he learned the way of salvation experimentally, ere he knew it accurately by theory and system; and thus no doubt it was that his whole ministry was little else than a giving out of his own inward life."
"[M'Cheyne's] soul was prepared for the awful work of the ministry by much prayer, and much study of the word of God; by affliction in his person; by inward trials and sore temptations; by experience of the depth of corruption in his own heart, and by discoveries of the Saviour's fulness of grace. He learned experimentally to ask, "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God!" I John 5:5. During the four years that followed his awakening, he was oftentimes under the many waters, but was ever raised again by the same divine hand that had drawn him out at the first; till at length, though still often violently tossed, the vessel was able steadily to keep the summit of the wave. It appears that he learned the way of salvation experimentally, ere he knew it accurately by theory and system; and thus no doubt it was that his whole ministry was little else than a giving out of his own inward life."
Calling and Pastoral Ministry...some thoughts
So here, as promised, are some thoughts on “calling” and pastoral ministry.
Obviously, not all can be said on this matter in this short space. So, the main point I want to ponder is this: while we often speak of “being called to the ministry” or of “receiving a call to pastor,” the New Testament hardly, if ever, uses the theme of calling to refer to a call to ministry. Rather, “calling” refers almost exclusively to the call to salvation, to the summons to receive the gospel message of redemption. This may involve the call in the external sense (“many are called, but few are chosen,” in Jesus’ words) or the internal, effectual sense that nets salvation in the one(s) so summoned (“those whom God predestined he also called,” to paraphrase Paul).
Now, this is not to say that the themes of “calling” and of ministry are never intertwined by the New Testament authors. They are- just not in the way we normally talk of things. Think of it this way: ministry is related to calling in the New Testament because ministry is related to salvation. It is not a direct relationship, but an indirect one. The classic example is Paul. In Galatians 1, he speaks of how God “called [him] by his grace” (v. 15). A quick cross-reference with Galatians 1:6, where similar language is used, indicates that Paul is referring here to the gospel summons he had received on the Damascus road, i.e. to his salvation event. His being “called” was a call to salvation. But, this was not an end in and of itself. Paul goes on to state how he was called to salvation “in order that I might preach [Christ] among the Gentiles…” (v. 16, emphasis added). His ministry, then, was not a direct result of being called, but rather an indirect result stemming from the salvation to which he had been called. To put it another way, Paul had been called into the sphere of salvation, inside of which was the ministry God had prepared for him.
Why is this important? Well, to start, we want to use biblically appropriate categories and vocabulary in our approach to every aspect of the Christian life. If the Bible utilizes the theme of “call” or “calling” to refer primarily to salvation, as opposed to utilizing it to refer to ministry, this ought to inform our way of thinking and speaking about things. Not that we must go on a witch hunt against all who speak of being “called” to the ministry, but we strive to think biblically.
But, secondly, and more importantly, understanding that our appointment to ministry is rooted in our call to salvation will spare us so much pain in terms of misunderstanding our self-identities as pastors (or as those preparing for the role). It is easy to become absorbed in our identity as “minister” and lose sight of the fact that we are first and foremost those called by grace apart from our works. How much pastor/seminary student burnout might be avoided if we stopped putting the cart before the horse, so to speak?
As a way of wrapping up, let me say, “Don’t misunderstand me!” Deeply grasping one’s appointment to ministry, one’s identity as a pastor, is hugely necessary. It is vitally linked to our success and endurance in God’s work. Paul writes of how he was “appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher” (2 Timothy 1:11) and how this self-understanding gave him reason and strength “to suffer as” he did (1:12). But, even in this context, Paul has already mentioned a few verses earlier his call to salvation (1:9). That call formed the foundation for his thinking about his appointment. Let it be the same for all of us, whether seasoned shepherds or those aspiring to the role.
Tomorrow: thoughts on spiritual gifts and pastoring...
Monday, February 6, 2012
Richard Baxter on pastoring
Puritan pastor, Richard Baxter, in speaking to his fellow under-shepherds, had the following to say (from Baxter's The Reformed Pastor):
"Content not yourselves with being in a state of grace, but be also careful that your graces are kept in vigorous and lively exercise, and that you preach to yourselves the sermons which you study [for], before you preach them to others. If you did this for your own sakes, it would not be lost labour; but I am speaking to you upon the public account, that you would do it for the sake of the Church."
O that I might heed these words all my days!
"Content not yourselves with being in a state of grace, but be also careful that your graces are kept in vigorous and lively exercise, and that you preach to yourselves the sermons which you study [for], before you preach them to others. If you did this for your own sakes, it would not be lost labour; but I am speaking to you upon the public account, that you would do it for the sake of the Church."
O that I might heed these words all my days!
The Foundations of Becoming a Pastor
What sorts of things go into someone becoming a pastor? Is it merely desiring to become one? Is it that you have gifts that lend themselves to the pulpit? Is it being told by others that you would be good at it? Is it a sense that the door to the pastorate is open for you while others are shut? We must get our thinking straight on this, not only to guard ourselves from stepping forth disastrously into something we're not meant for, but also to guard the Church from self-appointed leaders who lack God's blessing upon their ministry.
In this post, then, I want to suggest three things that figure into the entrance into the ministry. These are the foundations of becoming (and remaining, I suppose) a pastor. I'll not develop them here today, but merely list them. Over the next three days then, I'll hopefully deal with each of them in turn with a little more depth.
So, what are the foundations? In no particular order, they are...
1. Calling/Appointment
2. Gifting
3. Holiness
Grace and peace to you all.
In this post, then, I want to suggest three things that figure into the entrance into the ministry. These are the foundations of becoming (and remaining, I suppose) a pastor. I'll not develop them here today, but merely list them. Over the next three days then, I'll hopefully deal with each of them in turn with a little more depth.
So, what are the foundations? In no particular order, they are...
1. Calling/Appointment
2. Gifting
3. Holiness
Grace and peace to you all.
Sunday, February 5, 2012
Now, about that PhD...
Those closest to me know that for years I've envisioned (dreamed?) of going on to PhD work and someday teaching in an academic institution. As such, I'm always on the lookout for information related to that path (thanks to everyone who has recently counseled me in these matters). Suffice it to say, not a whole lot of the statistics out there are all that encouraging in terms of what a person with a PhD can look forward to in the job market (in the humanities and in theology that is). This post I present as exhibit "A" of what the academic forecast shows: http://marccortez.com/2012/01/06/how-bad-is-the-job-market-for-phds/.
Don't misunderstand me: info like this shouldn't ultimately deter anyone. It's tantamount, however, to Jesus' call to discipleship: better count the cost.
On the upside, Cortez's statement about "a dual-career option where your full-time time job supports your (adjunct) teaching passion" doesn't sound all that bad...
As always, opinions and comments are most welcome!
Don't misunderstand me: info like this shouldn't ultimately deter anyone. It's tantamount, however, to Jesus' call to discipleship: better count the cost.
On the upside, Cortez's statement about "a dual-career option where your full-time time job supports your (adjunct) teaching passion" doesn't sound all that bad...
As always, opinions and comments are most welcome!
Thoughts from others on distance seminary
So, this morning I changed the title of my blog (after only one day!). In the process, some replies to my post about distance seminary were lost (sorry guys). I've copied them here:
From DeDe:
Hi Aaron,
I love the question! As you may recall, my husband is a college professor, and when "distance ed" made its debut a decade or so ago, he was one to ask the same question. That is, can ALL subject matter be adequately conveyed through distance ed. methods?
Personally, having considered pursuing an online masters degree program, I can say that I have the most respect for institutions that offer online degrees but insist on some amount of face-to-face and on-site hours. I don't believe any institution can adequately appraise someone's aptitude, performance level, and character without some face-to-face contact.
Look forward to hearing more from you on your blog. How do you like Moody? I am impressed with every graduate of Moody with whom I currently am acquainted ...so I can only imagine this will be a great experience for you.
Blessings!
From Pastor Dave:
I have done both residential and distance (directed study & modular). The answer to your question involves another question - is ministry preparation a task to complete or a journey to begin. Having finished 2 ministry degrees (and working on my 3rd), I would answer the later.
Residential programs can communicate more data quicker, but taking one class at a time allows me to think more deeply about the implications and integration of the subject at hand. I value the collegiality of doing modulars because I learn from peers. I value distance learning because I have a local pastor(s) practitioner who keeps me grounded and accountable. As well as a local ministry which serves as a "lab" for the theories presented in curriculum.
From DeDe:
Hi Aaron,
I love the question! As you may recall, my husband is a college professor, and when "distance ed" made its debut a decade or so ago, he was one to ask the same question. That is, can ALL subject matter be adequately conveyed through distance ed. methods?
Personally, having considered pursuing an online masters degree program, I can say that I have the most respect for institutions that offer online degrees but insist on some amount of face-to-face and on-site hours. I don't believe any institution can adequately appraise someone's aptitude, performance level, and character without some face-to-face contact.
Look forward to hearing more from you on your blog. How do you like Moody? I am impressed with every graduate of Moody with whom I currently am acquainted ...so I can only imagine this will be a great experience for you.
Blessings!
From Pastor Dave:
I have done both residential and distance (directed study & modular). The answer to your question involves another question - is ministry preparation a task to complete or a journey to begin. Having finished 2 ministry degrees (and working on my 3rd), I would answer the later.
Residential programs can communicate more data quicker, but taking one class at a time allows me to think more deeply about the implications and integration of the subject at hand. I value the collegiality of doing modulars because I learn from peers. I value distance learning because I have a local pastor(s) practitioner who keeps me grounded and accountable. As well as a local ministry which serves as a "lab" for the theories presented in curriculum.
blog 2.0
So...I'm not very good at this whole blog thing. Two hours after I started it, I decided to change its title! I figured I wanted the blog to be more about preparing to pastor than about distance seminary issues (though distance seminary will be continue to be a vital topic here). Anyways, here is blog 2.0 (sorry to DeDe and Dave- your valuable replies to my first post are probably gone now- maybe I can copy them into a post later today!).
The role of distance seminary
Most people who have looked into seminary (or other venues for higher education for that matter) are aware that institutions are more and more seeking to make their services available via distance formats (e.g. online or modular formats). It simply is the way things are going.
The question, though, particularly as it relates to seminaries and the preparation for ministry, is this: do distance formats adequately prepare an individual for the pastoral role? My school, Moody Theological Seminary in Chicago, obviously believes so. During my last time down at campus in January, it was made abundantly clear that Moody was going to be pushing even further in this direction. Others, though, are not so sure. R. Scott Clark, professor at Westminster Seminary in California (and a man I respect), recently posted a five-part series on his blog heralding the superiority of traditional on-site seminary over and against distance format options. The latter, he argues, simply cannot prepare individuals adequately for the pastorate. I encourage you to read his posts here: http://wscal.edu/blog/contributor/R.+Scott+Clark.
As someone who is preparing for ministry in exactly the way that Clark disparages, I am concerned. Concerned, but not convinced. I simply do not see that there is one way and one way only to prepare ministers adequately. For some who are called, such on-site training may not be feasible. In some parts of the world, it simply doesn't exist. So, again, I am not convinced.
So, how about it? What do you think? Can distance format seminary training adequately prepare men for pastoring? A big part of this is a follow-up question: what is the role of a local church in providing training for those called to ministry? I look forward to anyone's comments!
The question, though, particularly as it relates to seminaries and the preparation for ministry, is this: do distance formats adequately prepare an individual for the pastoral role? My school, Moody Theological Seminary in Chicago, obviously believes so. During my last time down at campus in January, it was made abundantly clear that Moody was going to be pushing even further in this direction. Others, though, are not so sure. R. Scott Clark, professor at Westminster Seminary in California (and a man I respect), recently posted a five-part series on his blog heralding the superiority of traditional on-site seminary over and against distance format options. The latter, he argues, simply cannot prepare individuals adequately for the pastorate. I encourage you to read his posts here: http://wscal.edu/blog/contributor/R.+Scott+Clark.
As someone who is preparing for ministry in exactly the way that Clark disparages, I am concerned. Concerned, but not convinced. I simply do not see that there is one way and one way only to prepare ministers adequately. For some who are called, such on-site training may not be feasible. In some parts of the world, it simply doesn't exist. So, again, I am not convinced.
So, how about it? What do you think? Can distance format seminary training adequately prepare men for pastoring? A big part of this is a follow-up question: what is the role of a local church in providing training for those called to ministry? I look forward to anyone's comments!
Off to the races...
Welcome, everyone, to my humble blog. As this is my first foray into the blogosphere as an actual blogger, you will all have to be patient with me as I figure out exactly what will happen here.
As for what I hope to have happen here, my aim is twofold.
First, and primarily, I will be focusing on the issue of preparing for pastoral ministry. As I prepare for the ministry myself, I will be posting material related to this blessed appointment. On the one hand, this means you will be provided with a window into my own journey. On the other hand, my hope is that many others will participate here and make this blog a unique place in the blogosphere where the issue of pastoral preparation- so important for the health of the minister and the church- is dealt with frankly and helpfully.
Second, and more narrowly, I will be focusing on the issue of distance seminary. I am currently working on my Master of Divinity through Moody Theological Seminary in Chicago, all of my work having been done via distance formats. Anyone who has pursued a similar path knows that distance seminary carries with it unique benefits as well as challenges. My hope is that this blog will address both sides of the distance seminary divide and provide encouragement to others walking down this road.
As a final word, don't expect too much! Consistency will most likely not be the defining feature of this blog. Nevertheless, as God enables me, I hope this effort will be a blessing to you all.
As for what I hope to have happen here, my aim is twofold.
First, and primarily, I will be focusing on the issue of preparing for pastoral ministry. As I prepare for the ministry myself, I will be posting material related to this blessed appointment. On the one hand, this means you will be provided with a window into my own journey. On the other hand, my hope is that many others will participate here and make this blog a unique place in the blogosphere where the issue of pastoral preparation- so important for the health of the minister and the church- is dealt with frankly and helpfully.
Second, and more narrowly, I will be focusing on the issue of distance seminary. I am currently working on my Master of Divinity through Moody Theological Seminary in Chicago, all of my work having been done via distance formats. Anyone who has pursued a similar path knows that distance seminary carries with it unique benefits as well as challenges. My hope is that this blog will address both sides of the distance seminary divide and provide encouragement to others walking down this road.
As a final word, don't expect too much! Consistency will most likely not be the defining feature of this blog. Nevertheless, as God enables me, I hope this effort will be a blessing to you all.
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